Last night @Gargron told me that he's not going to move the main repo away from #Microsoft's #GitHub!

https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/100285350640885625

Because 'some' corporate minded people told him so.

How's the #fork doing!?

#mastodev

@jeroenpraat The first meeting is on 2018-06-30 21:00 CEST. You can join the discussion here: https://discord.gg/T2BeU2Q

The fork will likely be on GitHub too, until we find a better solution.

@tastytea Why on Discord?

@jeroenpraat Because it was the easiest to set up for the people who started it. The infrastructure is gonna change soon.

@tastytea
I do not believe this.

using matrix:
register, login, openening a chat, invite others

using meet.jitsi
opening a room, sending the link to others.

it's super simple. and they are even devs.
It is just because they are used to discord. And many are used to discord because they refused to switch earlier, but keep constantly inviting people to join discord.

I do not see why they would change this in future, if they don't do it now.
@jeroenpraat

@paulfree14 Yes that was I was thinking to. If I remember correctly @maloki also did put a lot of documents and such on Google Drive. It's all by all not very promising, but I give them the benefit of the doubt. @tastytea

@jeroenpraat @paulfree14

I feel like the two of you are behaving very extremist in this matter, and not taking mental energy into account.

and it's getting VERY tedious.

Neither of you offered to help set up the bridge, only one person did, and I've even tooted about others helping out as well aside from @brainblasted / @brainblasted

cc @tastytea

@jeroenpraat @paulfree14

I used Google Drive because: I knew how it worked, it was already part of my work flow and I didn't need to do any research. It is only for MY Surveys. and MY document. Not the project's. MINE.

I set up a discord because while working on this my brain started rolling about how I could use discord to host the kind of meeting _I wanted_ to host. I knew how it worked, I don't know how any of the other options work.

@jeroenpraat @paulfree14 If either of you had bothered reading ANY of the documentation, any of the other discussions, it's been ABUNDANTLY CLEAR, that at the meeting we will be discussing how to build infrastructure on as much open source shit as possible, with people who have the energy and know how to.

I DO NOT have the MENTAL energy to do all of that on my own.

And you all need to fucking back off if you're not even offering to help.

@jeroenpraat @paulfree14 Free software comes with a mental COST, which makes it Not-Free for people with limited mental energy.

@maloki 'Free software comes with a mental COST':

For you. For me proprietary software comes with a metal cost.

I'm also find it extremely odd why someone who dislikes FOSS that much wants to fork a FOSS project. Are you sure you are the right person to lead a fork?

@paulfree14

@jeroenpraat @maloki @paulfree14 If you don't like the tools of the kitchen perhaps you can take your appetite elsewhere and make your own meal.

@craigmaloney
what you're sayn is this:
if you don't like the status quo, fuck off.
@jeroenpraat

@paulfree14 @jeroenpraat If you choose to accept it that way, then that's what I'm saying.

But what I'm really saying is complaining about how the meal is prepared is not kind to the host. And if you're worried about the preparation then perhaps you shouldn't be at a restaurant in the first place.

@craigmaloney
It's not polite to complain, but it's not very kind of hiding feedback and being dishonest instead.

@jeroenpraat

@craigmaloney
the tone could be choosen different, that's for shure.
But would also not very kind of making it about the tone, rather then the arguments that the person tried to express.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

@jeroenpraat

@paulfree14 @jeroenpraat Perhaps it's a cultural thing; the way I read it was that your belief as that the project should grind t a complete halt until all of the infrastructure for handling communications could be completely FLOSS.

Nevermind that most of the folks involved with the project were part of the Mastodon project and already had Discord accounts; thereby providing a low-friction place for this to get organized.

That's akin to stopping the protest because you don't like the markers..

@craigmaloney
>that the project should grind t a complete halt until all of the infrastructure for handling communications could be completely FLOSS

lol. I have even trouble to believe that you even believe that.
Right now, we're comunicating. So your claimed reasoning is just by that already proofen wrong.

So discourse could just start from where everyone can participate in and has already an acc.
within the fediverse.

@jeroenpraat

@paulfree14 @jeroenpraat Please re-read your postings to Maloki and tell me in all honesty that wasn't what you were suggesting. Be honest with yourself.

I'm stepping out of this conversation because now we're picking apart perception and no good can come from telling others how things were perceived.

Wishing you every kindness.