@douginamug If you speak French and you want to talk about #CognitiveBias and #CriticalThinking there's @HygieneMentale
I don't know any expert on voting systems, except #cgpgrey. But I don't think he's on Mastodon.
@douginamug @nemoudeis @HygieneMentale @julm
you mean this method:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majority_judgment
?
it's a method that might make sense to choose for one scenario but not for the other. depending on the decision that is to be made different facilitation can improve the process.
Also:
many decisions are already made befor the actual voting.
'framing' 'spin' 'narratives' ...etc.
Many decision making concepts ignore this part
@paulfree14
Yes, however be aware that #MajorityJudgment's authors recommend to not learn it from #Wikipedia due to its errors (and I would add: lack of mentioning the importance of applied criterions).
Indeed it's a tool addressing only a few concerns within the decision process. Which can still be undermined by other factors like #gerrymandering, #disinformation, <you name it>...
Still, it's the best collective ranking tool I know :)
@douginamug @nemoudeis @HygieneMentale
@douginamug @nemoudeis @HygieneMentale @julm
I prefer for example score voting that contains out of 2 voting process.
First a negative one checking the resistance towards an idea.(cause ppl can do anything, even the most unpopular idea, and don't bother anyone as long their isn't a ressistance)
Then another round that votes on what you actually want.
@douginamug @nemoudeis @HygieneMentale @julm
the first vote will show you what to better not do. and the secound will show you what gains the most support.
@douginamug @nemoudeis @HygieneMentale @julm
that way trys to respect the minorities, while still looking for what people will be the most happy about.
...ingnoring minorities, can shape deep conflicts
@paulfree14
Well, #MajorityJudgment respects the… majorities.
For each choice, its majority-grade is such than at least 50% of voters agree to judge this choice at _least_ greater or equal than its majority-grade, and at least 50% of voters agree to judge this choice at _most_ lower or equal than its majority-grade.
Using medians as such is actually what makes the #MajorityJudgment resilient to manipulations: to strategic or cranky votes.
@paulfree14
Concerning not bothering anyone unless their isn't a resistance, #MajorityJudgment can be used continuously and dynamically:
- it usually sets a default grade of "To reject", thus unless for a given choice more than 50% of voters vote, and vote some other grade, its majority-grade (middlemost) remains "To reject".
- it ranks, but does not _ask_ voters to rank or compare choices at all, hence it is independent of irrelevant alternatives.
@julm @nemoudeis @HygieneMentale Thanks! I'll look into Majority judgment again. I'm a big fan of scoring as a way of expressing yourself in voting methods, however I remember being a bit skeptical of the decision rule based on the median and not the average score, but I'm motivated to look again now :)
@douginamug
On score voting methods, read chap17 (at least intro and outro) of the textbook on #MajorityJudgement
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=BF67AA4298C1CE7633187546AA53E01D
Using medians is much less manipulable than sums or averages (which become more and more manipulable as the expressing scale grows).
And medians can preserve unchanged the expressing judgments, whereas a sum or an average is not necessarily an input, hence actually meaningless within the #CommonLanguage of the voters
@nemoudeis unfortunately French is a barrier for me :( I blame my highschool teachers...
But I see @HygieneMentale is in Lyon - have you met the wonderful @jums
or @maxlath ?
@douginamug I'm afraid I haven't. I know @HygieneMentale thanks to the videos he makes (I think english subtitles are available on most of them btw).
@douginamug
Concerning #voting, you may be interested by the #MajorityJudgment which is judged by its authors to be “superior to any known method of voting and to any known method of judging competitions, in theory and in practice”.
- comicbook (fr) : « Vous reprendrez bien un peu de démocratie ? » https://lechoixcommun.fr/
- textbook (en): « Majority Judgment: Measuring, Ranking, and Electing » http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=BF67AA4298C1CE7633187546AA53E01D
@nemoudeis @HygieneMentale