oh hey @nicksellen :)
with positive I propably ment something different here. Thought you've been polite here. (which I prefer much more then the 'get the fuck out of here', aproach xD)

Positive feedback means here for me something like 'Yes, we take action.', or 'we will discuss it with the collective'

@paulfree14 yes I was not especially positive according to that definition.

I get frustrated with suggestions to swap tech/platform A for B for one reason or another which don't include an understanding of the complexity of the task, and the lack of resources we have.

Working on projects like I do is always a huge compromise of one thing or another.

It would please me to feel appreciated that I'm building something (hopefully useful) at all.

@nicksellen
(in case through my tone that I sometimes choose it's not obvious: of course I aprichiate)

Thought I wasn't suggesting to just switch.
Switching might be part of it, but don't has to be.
It could be also a strike, taking part in damaging the brand and microsofts investment
...but could be also something else. Whatever ppl come up with. What ever works for ppl.

@paulfree14 so you'd like people to just at least acknowledge the negative impacts caused by ICE, and the connection it has to GitHub?

If so, perhaps one of those campaigns where people change their profile image (or name) in support of something would be effective (low barrier to entry).

@nicksellen
yes.
Changing the profil image can be part of it yes.

@nicksellen
but why this topic? there's so much bad things happening in the world

my proposed idea doesn't take much efford, risk and can be done from everywhere.
through the current circumstance it has a real chance of taking effect.

@nicksellen
some of the circumstances are:
- there is already great outrage
- microsoft employees take positions against the ICE deal
- microsoft just bought github for 7.5 billion $
- microsoft being behind github is unpopular by many opensource devs.
- there are free software alternatives to github that funtion great
- microsoft tried to hide their ICE involvment

@paulfree14 you confuse me.

> but why this topic?
you set the topic here.

> my proposed idea
I am not clear on what your proposed idea is/was

Either way, I'm not motivated to act. If I acted on every such suggestion, I'd have no time for coding (or piano playing, or wandering in the hills).

@nicksellen
> you set the topic here
:-p. It's was intended to give an explaination why. It presents a counter argument to 'if I acted on every such situation', since those situations (circumstances matter, if you understand this ICE thing seperate from that you're correct) aren't happening to often.
And yes, if ppl would act when they apear, this society wouldn't be so fucked up.

@paulfree14
> since those situations [...] aren't happening to often

I'm not aware of that being true. I would guess there are many such things happening relatively frequently. not everything gets widespread media coverage.

> And yes, if ppl would act when they apear, this society wouldn't be so fucked up.

It's not clear to me at all that that is true. I suspect that if it seems obvious how to fix society, then it's probably wrong due to the complexity of the topic.

@nicksellen
>there are many such things

what do you mean with 'such things'?

@paulfree14 people doing horrible things to each other

@nicksellen
that's happening daily in large scale.

So it's obvious not what I'm talking about.
The circumstances matter. You left that out of your reasoning.

While you mentioned media coverage, here just as an example of some effects of the circumstance media

'media coverage that creates a narrative in support of resistance will help to protect from repression, inspires others easier to also take action, multiplies the social pressure that is created through actions taken...etc.'

@nicksellen
>It's not clear to me at all that that is true. I suspect that if it seems obvious how to fix society, then it's probably wrong due to the complexity of the topic.

Resist opression. build solidarity countering it. interconnect different existing struggles. choose priorities for your activities based on current events, their circumstances and your possibilities. Don't forget selfcare.

@paulfree14 that's not very specific :p

It wouldn't be possible to derive the actions you advocate from that statement.

@nicksellen
>It wouldn't be possible to derive the actions you advocate from that statement.

...hmmm, but that's what I've did.

@paulfree14 I think we have communication troubles :)