@neil
it definatly need some early adopters.
The userbase is still really small.
...but at least the software is there.

that's how the event looks like in the stream:
https://hub.libranet.de/channel/paulfree14/&f=&mid=6ea664f1bb29c7f9872606cb6d2870dc9c2747c80b23f9bc71e95df765f69179%40hub.libranet.de?f=&jsdisabled=0
https://todon.nl/media/6i1YNFCduJwgPc_Lb7A https://todon.nl/media/GSGY0kFJceasieFH72g https://todon.nl/media/pPJhLJInhFEvd2nVkv0

@neil
* not the image, but the link

@neil if there's a new event I see it right away in my notifications:

@paulfree14 OK, now I have the idea of something like the Twitter mirror bots on botsin.space, but for mirroring events from Facebook. To kind of seed the network. Although I don't know how you would filter out only the interesting ones, though (like with Twitter you can just mirror a particular account.) Perhaps we should just manually make an effort to share to the fediverse interesting events that we discover elsewhere.

@neil
Sharing to fediverse sounds good. Also feeds! Protocols and pipelines not just more new overwhelming platforms.

Here in NYC we're trying to figure out how to build a calendar of different radical events. We are using caldav feeds but it'd be cool to turn all the feeds we ingest into another feed. I'm sure that's a solved problem... alas, information overload is not!

@paulfree14

@paulfree14 Sorry, wrong link on that - https://indieweb.org/event

@neil
oh didn't know they had events.
If they are not already compatible with each other now, I asume they will be in future.

@paulfree14 I hope so, yes. The indieweb ones just use the webmention protocol for sending and receiving RSVPs, and there's been some work done of bridging webmentions between indieweb and fediverse with https://fed.brid.gy, so I'm sure it must be doable for events too.

@neil @paulfree14 @ghost has some further points about the UI being obscure asf

@neil @ghost @a_breakin_glass
there might come a new theme during this year.
Being happy to hear suggestions what should be improofed and what sucks/ is meh.

@paulfree14 @neil @ghost @a_breakin_glass Ok, 1) I go to the hubzilla web page and there's no way to get an account and log in. No indication (to a non-dev user) of how this thing is supposed to work or what it does. So.. yeah, not having enough users is what I would expect.

@intherain

There is - where it says Hubzilla >> Start. It gets kind of overshadowed by the other two CTAs though.

But then the text on the next page is very dev focused.

@paulfree14 @ghost @a_breakin_glass https://social.coop/media/Fx0fFxmZ3tNs2WCKxWo https://social.coop/media/H1QYThbsKR4Hmep5qfM

@intherain

Interesting to think whether early-stage projects should be public-focused or not. e.g. indieweb has this idea of generations, basically realising that until a lot of underlying tech and user journeys are figured out, perhaps there is not that much point pushing for wider adoption. (https://indieweb.org/generations)

On the other hand, I'd guess a lot of Mastodon's success has come from having a good UI from the get go.

@paulfree14 @ghost @a_breakin_glass

@neil @paulfree14 @ghost @a_breakin_glass Yeah, I understand wanting to hide your project until you feel that it is ready. But if you cut off user input and user-focused design from the get-go you end up with something technically awesome that no one but your close tech friends uses. Your early spec should include how the tool will be easy for non-technical people to discover, adopt, and use, and your team should include designers, otherwise what you're building is an internal tool.

@neil @paulfree14 @ghost @a_breakin_glass But yeah, I can show people mastodon and they "get" it, and want to join. Although for some figuring out how to do that becomes a challenge. (I keep meaning to look into invitations and see if that makes things easier.)

For hubzilla, what the public needs to see is:

- you can do events
- we won't sell your data
- no ads
- we won't muck with your feed
- nothing about "common webserver technology"

Integration-related stuff goes on a dev page, imho.

@neil
zot is it's own protocol that has through plugins integrated ActivityPub.

you can follow as it would be a mastodon account.
here that's a hubzilla acc:
@paulfree14

events unfortunalty only show what is writen in the discriptions when viewing it from mastodon.
That's how it looks then:

@paulfree14

Strange, I don't see anything from that account: https://social.coop/media/xq70L6nHjgawHNsT2l4

@neil
yes. that is cause it is not yet federated with social.coop
one would need to follow it...and it will start to fetch the comming posts.

I have this also with other mastodon accounts. So it's not an issue related to hubzilla, but how activityPub works.

@paulfree14 Ahh, I see - thanks for the info 👍

@paulfree14 @neil
* oh I just see that clicking on the hubzilla account opens hubzilla. So you would need to use the search function from mastodon in order to view the profil from mastodon

@paulfree14

Yup I did that - that profile appears in the search results, but when I click on it and view the profile in Mastodon it shows no posts, etc, as in the image I attached. Strange!

@paulfree14